4.33 at 220 holy shit
\nHeard a stat like only Guerendo and DK Metcalf are the only two players over 220 to run a sub 4.40 EVER. Or something along those lines.
\nVernon Davis
\nBiggest freak I have ever seen. Imagine being that size and running a sub-4.4. Not to mention his strength.
\n\nAlso goes to show physical attributes don\u2019t guarantee greatness.
\nGo look at his lifting records from Maryland. They are fucking obscene
\nThat\u2019s what I was referencing. Dude put up some big numbers that are usually coming from OL guys.
\nVernon Davis had multiple 10+ TD seasons, he had a good career. He was a top 5 TE in the league in his prime.
\nHe was very good. He was not great though. He had a couple seasons when he was a top 5 TE, but overall he isn\u2019t in the same world as Gates, Gonzalez, Gronk, Kelce, or Kittle.
\nVernon was pretty great, especially in the playoffs. And he was a great blocker.
\n\nHow many other TEs have had two different 13TD seasons?
\nHe also never topped 1,000 yards in a season. He was very good. He was not great.
\nLol a 1000 yard season for a TE was pretty rare while or before Vernon Davis played. Kelce and Gronk really changed the narrative for TEs.
\nGates 2x. Gonzalez 4x. Clark 1x. Graham 2x. Before 2000 there were 8 1,100+ yard seasons by TEs too.
\nYeah, that's not very many, is it?
\n\n1 starting TE per 32 teams and how many seasons? On top of that, Vernon Davis was a better blocker than the majority of those guys.\u00a0
\nSo he was\u2026.very good.. not great.
\nVD was great. Too bad he didn't have a great QB or an Offensive Coordinator. It didn't help that he was surrounded by mediocre WRs too.
\nCalvin Johnson ran 4.35 at 239
\nCalvin Johnson wasn't a player though, he was a fucking Transformer
\nVernon Davis ran a 4.39 too
\nAt 250 lbs
\nAll things being equal, Calvin Johnson might be the best football player to ever live. That man was exceptional in nearly every category.
\n\nBigger, stronger, and faster than anyone covering him, AND elite hands and fluid route running. Plus he had the hops and arm length of an NBA lottery pick.
\nHard work is a stat and it's why the answer to that question is still Jerry Rice.
\nIt's a trait, literally not a stat lol
\nIt's literally a stat. A stat is a point of data and the broader term. /confidentlyincorrect
\nIf you can\u2019t quantify it into a number, please explain how it is a point of data beyond a binary does/doesnt.
\nHours of work put in at maximal effort? No one is measuring it but it\u2019s not that hard to imagine a way one might measure it.
\nThen you run into defining what \u201cmaximum effort\u201d is, don\u2019t you? Because it\u2019s certainly not equal measures for each individual.
\n\nThis is literally why the draft is a gamble. There is so much data you have to \u201cfeel\u201d rather than interpret, if that makes sense.
\nStatistics does not require data to be quantitative. Qualitative data can be collected and interpreted into a stat. This is literally what pff does. Football IQ, work ethic, leadership. These are all data points of a player. Ignoring them and only paying attention to physical attributes is a mute comparison.
\nSure, but then every evaluation of that data set is basically an objective opinion. You\u2019d have to quantify and qualify each action they take into what IS hard working/not, then tick the points and add it up and compare.
\n\nI suppose you can consider all information data, but I don\u2019t think it\u2019s all quantifiable. Then again, I barely passed college, so I\u2019m not exactly all-knowing
\nThese are objective judgments.
\n\nRunning a 4.4 40 is a stat. Recording 90 catches is a stat.
\n\nWorked really hard is not a stat.
\nOkay, what is Jerry rice's effort stat?
\nEasy : \ud83d\udcaf
\nYeah he was an alien
\nPatrick Willis ran a 4.37 at his pro day and was 6\u20192\u201d 240 lbs
\nWillis?
\nMy bad I didn\u2019t realize it got autocorrected yes PWilly
\nPro day doesn't count because those are hand-timed 40 yard dashes.
\nI mean a hand timed 4.37 is still sub 4.4 speed lol, and you could see that speed on the field especially when he chased down a WR from across the field to save a TD vs Arizona
\nBecause of the natural human reaction times of the people timing those kind of 40's, it is very likely that the real time is at least 0.1 seconds slower. Willis's NFL Combine time (which was electronically timed) was 4.56 seconds.
\nSo he ran a 4.47 by what you\u2019re saying lol. He ran a 4.51 at the combine. Idk what we are even debating here, his game speed was even faster than timed speed and he was a freak.
\nWe\u2019re debating whether or not he ran a legit 4.4 40. Thats it. And he didn\u2019t. Still awesome though and hall of fame player.
\nBo Jackson?
\nMaybe Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson were under 220, but they seem like they fit in here.
\nBo Jackson played at 230
\nI believe it. If not 230, it was like 225, so I do believe that he fits into the category of 220 lbs or heavier players who ran sub 4.4.
\nMatt, Jones, Johnathan Taylor, Micah Parsons, Calvin Johnson, Vernon Davis, from the top of my head they\u2019re rare but there\u2019s certainly more than just two.
\nCalvin Johnson, Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis were bigger and ran that fast or faster right?
\nLike a hot hatch on the football field
\nHis play speed is lacking though- I watch a lot of big 10, it\u2019s like he needed an extra beat to figure out his plan of attack. Glad to see he did a little more in Louisville, but that\u2019s a big step down in competition level
\nZone run scheme should make that simple for him. Go here, hit the hole, make one decision and haul ass. Dude is a bruiser and at the same time a home run hitter. He could be used in multiple ways to take some hits off of CMC. Absolutely love this pick.
\nHe reminds me of like Kendall Hunter, might be a decent pickup
\nI like Jordan Mason for that role. He was amazing in a support role all year he just didn't get enough carries. We can't run CMC like last year. Maybe that's why we drafted so much speed to really spread it out and have more versatility to give Brock different looks.
\nRun him on those Deebo sweeps then. Already at 80% speed, turn upfield when you pass the outside defender. House.
\nSounds good for our scheme. You only need to be patient and make one cut. 4.33 is awesome speed, too.
\nSounds like Sermon...
\nSermon was as slow as molasses.
\nI still don\u2019t understand that one. I watched his highlights when people were talking about him and he looked slow as shit, we draft him and more of the same\u2026..no idea why they picked him.
\nI think they wanted run to Read Option with Trey. So they wanted a big bruiser back for dives up the middle to allow Trey to option to the edge. The problem was because of COVID there was no combine, Trey's pro day 40 time was nowhere near close to his game speed. He was too slow to run outside, so he ended up having to run up the gut, which eventually broke his ankle.
\nExcellent point!
\nThats true, I meant more Sermons inability to engage once he had the ball in his hands. Dude tried to do the Leveon Bell strategy...but then just...didn't go?
\n\nIt was hard to watch
\nYeah let\u2019s hope he\u2019s more Breida than Joe Williams
\nI still bug out that Reggie White ran a 4.6. That\u2019s downright scary.
\nI remember the play when he threw a Vikings WR to get a sack. Scary dude indeed.
\nFastest RB available this draft. He tied for 3rd fastest 40 overall.
\nIt doesn\u2019t really show on tape. Not super explosive out of the gate so definitely not an every down guy but looks like a perfect 3rd down back. \u00a0He\u2019s dope in pass protection and has good hands.\u00a0
\nI remember being excited when we drafted a big back in Kevan Barlow a long time ago, but he was probably like a 4.6 40-yard dash guy. Guerendo is a beast.
\nThat\u2019s cool and all but we need to actually use him. And not gas out cmc for the long haul.
\nI just hope he's durable. Mason and Mitchell getting injured often has me worried about the running back room.
\n\nBut if this guy is as promised, can block in the backfield, and catch half as good like CMC, then he's fine by me
\nHe waited a round that\u2019s all we can ask for
\nHe said things will change and he's following through on that claim.
\nKS : "As promised I will move from my position."
\n\ntakes a single step back
\nFuckin knew it. Fast rb. Shanny\u2019s favorite
\nthat will see like 5 snaps total
\nAnd will lose his job to the UDFA rb we sign later on
\nAnd get cut three years after being drafted
\nThis is the way.
\nThis is the way
\nHas anyone here watched the highlights for Guerendo?
\n\nHe\u2019s stiff AF. If he doesn\u2019t have 50 yards of daylight in front of him, he plays like a guy who runs a 4.7 \u2014 and he goes down instantly on contact.
\n\nHis on-paper numbers don\u2019t translate at all to his on-field performance \u2014 which is why he slipped this late despite being in the 99th percentile athletically.
\n\nSeriously. I highly recommend you give this a watch: LINK
\nHe's said to be pretty raw so hopefully we can coach him up.
\n\nHe came across as really intelligent and mature in the interview they had with him today, hopefully Bobby Turner can unlock him.
\nUDFA\u2026.aka Frank Gore Jr
\nPick for the future. Probably the RB2 next year if he pans out. Big and fast back who can catch and do pass pro. I don't mind lowering CMC's load with Mitchell/Guerendo
\nI think Mitchell about to be gone. He\u2019s so injury prone and shanny prob doesn\u2019t trust him
\nMitchell has still been good when he gets the ball. Sadly Mason is probably gone unless Guerendo busts. Loved Mason but he's not gonna ever have a big role with us
\nMason can at least play ST. I like Mitchell too but you can never rely on him. Dude is made of glass
\nIm sure we can put Guerendo on STs and he can step up if Mitchell goes down. And we can still stash Mason on the PS.
\nYeah at the expense of Purdy running for his life and QBs destroying our secondary
\nThere aren\u2019t really any lineman or CBs left that would realistically push for minutes over the team\u2019s current starters.
\nChances of us finding a stud CB or OL this late who can beat out a starter is low. We have Yiadom who was a good CB last year to compete with Ambry and the rookie.
\n\nWe're gonna lose players next year due to the cap crunch so picking for the future isn't a bad idea when we can't start alot of our rookies.
\nI think this guy is different. He\u2019s much more \u201cold school\u201d Shanny RB. More similar to Brieda, Mitchell and Mostert than Sermon/TDP which were bruisers.
\n\nShanny gave up on whatever his plan was for Lance and back to his \u201coh shit I have an mvp QB\u201d plans a la Matt Ryan.
\nWho is this Jordan Mason
\nOur 3rd string RB that averages 5 yards per carry
\nThis dude is also massive though too. We were going to draft another RB at some point and I think this guy could be very very good.
\nSeriously. He\u2019s kind of got it all. Size, speed, low mileage, but still showed really good production when he got his opportunity. 6.1 yards per carry and 11 rushing TDs last year. He also caught 22 balls for an additional 234 yards.
\n\nThis is very unlike Trey Sermon or Ty Davis Price which were both kind of head scratchers even at the time. They weren\u2019t super fast, super productive\u2026 I never understood why we took these guys as high as we did.
\n\nGuerendo though has me wondering how the dude even fell this far. You can\u2019t teach that speed with that size. He runs almost as fast as Mostert but with significantly more muscle. I\u2019m really excited to see what he can do. Love this pick, when I really questioned the TDP and Sermon picks day of the draft.
\nSo basically we have beefy Mostert on our team now? Does this kid have big breakway runs on his tape? Imagine if we can just score a TD untouched on wide zone run again.
\nGoing over his highlights, the guy has absolute goodbye speed to outrun angles, but isn\u2019t as good at breaking tackles or finding space once he\u2019s accelerated.
\n\nHe\u2019s probably easier to tackle in the open field than close to the line, but if you miss, he\u2019s gone.
\nYeah, he had some fun ones with Louisville this past year
\nAt 221, damn.
\nThis guy has the 20th best RAS profile ever.
\n\nInsane athlete.
\nHe hasn't really picked the fast ones recently. Sermon and TDP were not very fast.
\nRB at this spot....seems about right....
\nSucks it probably means no Gore tho
\nWas gore projected to get drafted?
\nJust knew he was gonna end up here. Might be a Hall of Famer since we traded both 5th rounders for him.
\nahhhhh i fucking knew it
\n\nridiculously athletic, amazing at running outside zone
\n\n1 cut and go rb, if he gets a hole he\u2019s fucking gone. should have a good chance to return kicks for us as well, seems pretty tailor made for the new kickoff rules
\nThe niners are taking the new rule seriously. Half the draft picks have return experience. And they\u2019re different in their approach to returns as well, so there\u2019s plenty of options to see what works best.
\nYeah I called this one. No fucking way shanny was resisting an explosive outside zone rb.
\nBarrows mocked him to us 5 days ago. Wrote this:
\n\n\u201cThis guy seems a lot like former 49er Raheem Mostert, who went undrafted out of Purdue in 2015 after running a 4.38-second 40. Guerendo \u2014 at 221 pounds \u2014 was even faster at 4.33 seconds at the combine. He has the skill set to gouge defenses on outside runs that has made Shanahan swoon in the past.\u201d
\nHe updated it because the bench numbers weren\u2019t in that original. Spoiler: still elite.
\n\n\n\n\n\nIsaac Guerendo was drafted in round 4 pick 129 in the 2024 draft class. He scored a 9.90 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 20 out of 1903 RB from 1987 to 2024.
\n
Isaac Guerendo: 6ft, 211 pounds, 4.33-second 40-yard dash at the combine.
\n\nMitchell is FA after this year so this is likely his replacement. Not a bad pick but Kyle will actually have to use him instead of overworking CMC
\nDamn 6ft? Thick, tall, speedy boy!
\nSO hyped about this. I've wanted them to pick this guy all off season. He's a freak
\nyessir
\nTell me more
\n4.33 at 220
\n\nGood googly moogly
\nTradition as old as time
\nIt was bound to happen. Will get 3 carries a game after Elijah hurts himself on his first carry of the season
\nWe all know whatever undrafted RB they get will out play him
\nKyle is inevitable
\nThis guy is extremely fast. Low 4.3 speed and can actually catch it out of the backfield. He has below average vision and his cutting ability needs work but the potential is hard to pass up. Stop complaining about picking RBs, CMC is 28, Elijah Mitchell is made out of glass, and idk what they feel about JP.
\nAlso love his big play ability. Seems like the FO is trying to increase our home run / big play potential. If teams want to load up to stop CMC or double Aiyuk or Deebo we have two explosive weapons who can hit an opening and score. Whereas Jennings and Conley were better at getting tough catches but were generally not getting as much YAC.
\nNow we have options in case Deebo gets an injury mid game too. Both times that happened last season the offense sputtered and died. Pearsall and Guerendo might fit nicely in those packages
\nWell, at least we waited till the 4th round this time.
\nBut we traded both our 5ths so no sure fire HOF picks this year
\nWe did? Damn. But I'm sure we'll make it work out somehow.
\nI like it considering cmc had basically no rest last year
\n\nBut also where OL
\n4.33 40 with a 99 athleticism score. Cannot be mad at that. It was basically a 5th round comp pick plus the KC pick we got from moving down a spot and still have the other 4th rounder
\nTony Pauline tweeted a month ago that 49ers liked him and had him as a 3rd round grade. Then Paulie deleted it quick. Some said Lynch probably told him to delete it lol.
\n\nSaw some comparisons on Twitter to Mostert.
\nFINALLY WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY RB
\nYeah we did pretty well with that unknown McCaffery kid last season, but now we have an actual RB. Whew.
\nAddiction
\nit\u2019s 5:33 am, I work Tuesday-Saturday, and I\u2019m crawling into bed after a healing night with the boy. he\u2019s just like me fr fr
\nTraded both our 5ths for him man he doesn\u2019t have too much mileage and is a great athlete. Don\u2019t really hate it
\nSo this draft is looking pretty good so far.
\nAt least he addressed our needs before starting with the RBs
\nI wish anything made me as erect as Shanny gets for Day 2/3 RBs.\u00a0
\nIs this our expendable RB?
\nHe took the fast as fuck RB first this time.
\n\nThat\u2019s not what Trey Sermon or TDP were.
\nDeath, taxes, and mid round RBs.
\nWe got our RB!
\nAnother Kollman dude!
\nHis nfl draft profile has his athleticism in the 99th percentile
\n\nhttps://www.nfl.com/prospects/isaac-guerendo/32004755-4554-7677-8f5d-c4e05fdb16a1
\nThere shouldn't be a single complaint about this pick, don't be idiots now. CMC really doesn't have a true back up RB and he had far to many snaps to sustain his health.
\n\nThis was needed.
\nI thought Elijah Mitchell did a great job when he was in.
\nI just don't like that they traded two 5th round picks to do this.
\nJust means double big 5th energy!!!
\nBruh
\nAtleast Kyle waited a little longer. I\u2019m ok with this
\nNow we play the will he make it more than a year game.
\nSomeone in here predicted this a couple months ago
\n\ud83d\udc40
\nCan he block? Could be used as a FB
\nApparently Larry Krueger believes Guerendo can potentially convert to FB & eventually replace Juszczyk. A FB that runs 4.3 yeesh
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\nThis dude like a faster Brandon Jacobs. Love it, and not in the 3rd round - so there\u2019s a chance
\nLike a faster Brandon Jacobs that's also 4" shorter and weighs 40lbs less with a different running style lol
\n\nBrandon Jacob was 6'4 and 264lbs.
\nLombardi mentioned yesterday he could see a RB being taken, looks like he was right
\nThat\u2019s a steal and a nice pick with Mitchell hurt and a free agent\u00a0
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\nI love it when I get to root for my Badgers here! Still wish Borland would have stuck around longer too.
\nShanahan is going to trade both Aiyuk and Deebo and run a running back only offense.
\nWould have preferred to wait another round for him, but I loved this dude.
\nReminds me of Doug Martin a little bit
\nBYE BYE Mitchell
\nI thought we'd get Christian Jones from Texas. Not another rb.
\nSo, a fast Ryan Grant?
\nGore Jr is still on the board. Get picked at the last round and he will start over this guy.
\nHe said in the interview yesterday that they were taking a RB in the 4th round. Jokingly said it wouldn't work out, but he did say it.
\nMaybe special teams improvement draft picks
\nLouisville fan chiming in, I think Guerendo is gonna be a monster for you all. I\u2019m jealous as hell of y\u2019all.
\nIIRC, rated at 99 athleticism. Highest in this class.
\nThere it is
\nJohnathan Taylor-esque in my opinion. Ironic he transferred Wisconsin to Louisville ! Dude is a total dawg, this is the RB2 for 2024-2025 no doubt!
\nShanahan can't help himself with RBs. At least it's not a 3rd. Is this pick because of Pacheco envy?
\nDoes Jordan Mason not know how to block in pass protection? Every time he touches the ball he\u2019s looked good. What\u2019s that mean for him now?
\nCowboys fan here. Wanted this guy. Now that he is drafted, you know he does remind me of elijah mitchell when he gets going.
\nWhy did he fall so far with these measurables?
\nI freaking hate this pick. This guy is not a natural, instinctive runner. Sure the combine numbers look great, but look at his actual film. He's not a good Rb. No idea why they keep doing this.
\nMortgaged our 5th rounders. Unforgivable.
\nOr 4th round is the new 5th round?!?!?!?
\nThen you should quit being a fan since Shanny ain\u2019t going anywhere.
\nLmao what. My comment was in jest
\nSorry you never know around here.
\nShanahan is an addict
\nThey don\u2019t even use any rb besides mccafrey so why draft another one?
\nInjuries are common at the RB position.
\nWhy? CMC (over used), Mitchell (barely used) Mason (barely used). We needed LB depth, OL depth, ect ect. Again why? If someone could explain this strategy it'd be great.
\nLiked you said, CMC over used, and we need him healthy.
\n\nmitchell wasnt barley used, hes barley healthy to be used.
\n\nmason just isnt good enough.
\n\nMitchell and mason have been on the bubble for a couple seasons. this was there last season regardless.
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